Windows 11 TPM 2.0

Hi all

 

We all know that Windows 11 is out and to be able to download it from Microsoft and not the leaked version is only if your system have TPM 2.0.

 

The latest Bios from May 2021 only have TPM 1.2.

 

I watched a YouTube video someone with ASUS motherboard and Intel I7 say the the Intel CPU’s should have TPM 2.0 in them and that is possible to enable them in Bios Advance somewhere.

He also mention that some motherboard have TPM header and it possible to install TPM 2.0 cheap.

 

https://youtu.be/hnqqeRxJipw

 

do anybody knows how to do it in HPZ440/640/840 Bios?

Do anybody know if HP workstations have TPM header?

 

Do anybody know if it’s possible to install TPM cheap in HP workstation Motherboards to be able to download genius copy of Windows 11?

 

does any body out ther have an and Ideas and would like to share please will be much appreciated.

 

regards 

 

OB

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  • I haven't messed around with Windows 11 yet.

     

    I was able to locate the Z840 TPM 2.0 Update on this page:

     

    https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c05792935

     

    Just Control-F "Z840"

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  • Glad I popped into this forum as I had similar questions. It looks like this TPM requirement is going to hurt our chances of having the latest version of windows which is concerning as I remember seeing reports that windows 10 with stop having support by 2025. I have the HP Z420.  

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      Chris Clark 

      I don't see any downloads for HP Z420. 

      I also own 2 x Z400, Z600 and Z800 operated by other family members and looks like in 2025 they will go obsolete.

      Thanks Microsoft where is the promise that windows 10 will be the last and that it will just be called windows.

      They really know how to create E waste. 

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  • Thank You for the info downloaded and installed the new TPM version but still getting the message this pc can't run Windows 11 the processor isn't supported for Windows 11.

    My Machine has dual Xeon E5-2690v4 28 cores up to 3.5G How is that not enough minimum requirement is 1gig 2core cpu.

    I contacted Microsoft support and they replied was

    "Oh, thanks for sharing your concern. Actually there's a lot of users already reporting that issue and the good thing is the developers are already working on it. Your patience is appreciated and your understanding."

    I guess we will have to wait and see 

    Thanks for the help anyway if you have more suggestions I would be happy to try.

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  • Which download did you use and what is your system? I have an HP TPM updater utility that I am going to try. 

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      • Oded
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        My system is HPZ840 when you go to the download page scroll almost all the way down to Workstation Desktops. 

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  • After Installing the sp87753 you will have to go to C:/SWSetup got to folder sp87753 and double click on TPMConfig64 after installation a restart will be required.

    when the system restarts you will see the progress before windows start.

    when log in to windows type in search box TPM.MSC to confirm it was updated successfully.

    Regards

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  • Well this kind of got me all screwed up now that I've been able stuff in by us my windows won't stay loaded it keeps shutting down and restarting every time I get into Windows I'm kind of freaking out I had a lot of important things on my computer I guess I shouldn't have messed with this at all I'm trying to do some diagnosis on the computer now but it looks like it'll only boot into safe mode if you guys have any help with this I would be very grateful this ended up being more than I should have even dealt with sorry to say please help me.

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      Oded Hi Chris I’m sorry to hear you got in trouble installing HP Z840 TPM 2.0driver on an HP Z420.

      The Z420only support TPM1.2and as far as I know cannot be upgraded to 2.0

      Dont worry it’s not all lost I’m sure we going to find a solution for your problem.

      I have posted your issue on HP support.

      I was trying to find HP Z420 TPM 1.2driver but no success so far.

      I think if we find the TPM 1.2 driver and install it on safe mode should fix the issue.

      Or but I’m not sure about it if you reset bios to manufactured date should maybe fix.

      What ever the solution is I think you should back up your important staff first by removing your hard drive connecting it to another pc transfer all important data to a backup hard driver when all data safe we should than try and fix the issue.

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      • Oded
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      Hi Chris can you try go to safe mode go to device manager go into security devices see if Trusted Platform Modules 2.0is show there if yes so right click and Uninstall it.

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  • Well my dumb ass forgot the basics of troubleshooting a windows boot issues. So after I had already reinstalled windows 10 on a different drive, I remembered that you could go into safe mode and use msconfig to stop all the non windows processes from running at startup, once I did that, boom, windows was stable again. I discovered this after spending an entire day reconfiguring a new windows install and redownloading all of my plugins and production software. So now I have two bootable hard drives with separate instances of windows 10. Guess the upside is now my boot drive is a 1TB SSD instead of a 120GB SSD now, but might have to bounce back and forth between them to finish projects I was in the middle of. Now I'm back where I started though. Wondering what's going to happen when windows 10 is phased out. Guess 4 years is a while to stretch this machine for but I'd think there will be a work around figured out by then, ha maybe a USB or PCIE TPM 2.0 module will be a thing as some point. I'd be curious if anyone finds out any other work arounds. Thanks for the help! Glad I'm not the only one using these machines. Seems like the best budget way to get a good performing PC. 

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  • Microsoft now updated the PC health check app and guess what it’s tell me my CPU isn’t compatible with Windows 11 because it’s too old.

    I have dual Xeon E5-2690v4 I paid $2700 aud for this PC a year ago and you tell me I have only 4 year I hate Microsoft so much.

    Looks like what ever you look at it we are screwed . But fear not when windows 10 faze out you will still be able to use your PC there are still people to this day using Windows 7 and Windows 8.

    You just not going to get Security updates.

    There is a way around it just wait to the official release to get a proper copy of Windows 11 and not the leaked version 

    watch this video https://youtu.be/iL_X_Sxt0vQ

    The big question if you find way around it would Microsoft update find out and block you.

    I will probably will try it out.

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  • Hello,

    I confirm that Microsoft (and HP and Cie too) is going to contribute to replace almost all the computers of the home consumer, whether at home in France or elsewhere. It will be a huge E-waste just to have Windows 11, a very good financial deal for Microsoft and its allies like HP. While other hardware are just as good and sometimes more powerful than the selected configurations. When it comes to the TPM 2.0, let me laugh, Microsoft and HP gentlemen, will a gamer or even Mrs Michou really be interested in it? What a nonsense ! They will prefer to let Windows 10 continue as in the days of Windows XP, with all its security holes...

    Personally I also own an HP Workstation Z420 which cost me a certain price (Xeon E5-2680 v2, 128 GB RAM, Geforce GTX 1050 TI, ...), and which suits me perfectly. And unfortunately, considering the answers I got on the HP Forum, I have something to worry about... We are practically called "chicken little" when we ask about a TPM 2.0 update for the Zx20 (I will not denounce anyone, he will recognize himself)... "These stations are too old, etc etc...".

    So wait and see if Microsoft and/or HP will make an effort !  

     

    Bye.
     

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  • I would not worry too much about Windows 11 and 2025 cut off for Windows 10... Win 8 never saw the end of Win 7... and the level of difference between 10 & 11 is similar.... but in case you ARE worried... I am running the latest DEV build of Win 11 FROM Microsoft on my Z600 without issue.... 

    You see, although official you are not supposed to run Win 10/11 in a virtualised environment, that doesn't mean you can't.... Microsoft even mentions it as a means of testing builds in the insider program.

    Simply enable VTx in bios and you are good to go... (support for virtual machines has existed for a long time in server/workstation hardware)... install a type 1 hypervisor (preferred) and create a Gen 2 environment (TPM 2.0 support)... install from Windows 11 iso, job done...🙂 (yes you can create Windows 11 ISOs from Microsofts insider website)

    As a useful note for anyone wishing to try this process out... you don't have to replace Windows 10 to get a type 1 hypervisor.... if you have 10 pro, just install Hyper-V (comes with all versions above Home)... do consider disabling Hyperthreading though (for any hypervisor use other than playing) as a security precaution against side channel attacks

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    • Roland Powell I feel that I'd take performance hit running in a virtual environment. I have found several work arounds already that allow for installation of windows 11 without the hardware requirements. I haven't tried them yet. I figure I will try to use the works arounds on an older laptop first and if that goes well maybe on a secondary drive on my HP Z420 and I'll go from there. I'm kind of half expecting the requirements to be relaxed or the demand from folks with older machines will drive a more sophisticated alternative. 

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    • Chris Clark it is possible to modify iso builds of Windows 11 to disable the audit/hardware check and you can hack the registry to force DEV channel insider access if it has been disabled... these methods will work whilst the Dev Insider scenario continues for those that were in yhe DEV channel on a 21xxx build of windows 10 before the 24th of June cut off. If you have a decent system that fails the processor age/secure boot/TPM 2 check, you could always rip off the entire OS and install a bare metal 'Unraid' system... this cause very little overhead when you install Windows 11 as a VM based OS (which will install without issue and can be activated if you have a spare win7/8/10 license). Frame rate drops playing high-end FPS games in this way have been shown to be significantly less than 10% if you know how to tune 'Unraid'.

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    • For anyone wanting the latest Dev insider channel builds, I recommend you try here: https://uupdump.net easy iso generation from uup channel resource... just download/produce the output script you need and let the script pull all components and iso them for you

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      Chris Clark Hi I haven’t installed Windows 11 on any of the Z workstation I have at home yet but following this method https://youtu.be/iL_X_Sxt0vQ

      I successfully installed Windows 11 on a Core 2 Dou machine with 4gig of ram a Lenovo Yoga 11e , Optiplex 9010 and a custom system with I72600 Sandy bridge that don’t even have TPM at all.

      I will try soon to install Windows 11on the Z840but will use another SSD not the one that currently installed don’t want to take the risk plus   My SSD M.2nvme is on the PCIE. I ordered from AliExpress couple of Sata to Nvme so it will be easier to swap between the two operating systems and than will give it ago.

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    • Oded Thanks great! I guess real concern is retaining pre installed applications. Do these methods fully wipe the system? I've started some other music projects and I'm not keen on reinstalling all of my software all over again. 

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      Chris Clark 

      Hi this method will not wipe your system you can have Windows 7 on one hard drive Windows 10 on another hard drive Windows 11 on the third and Linox on fourth. Just make sure to connect one at the time and you can run as many OS as you want.

      You can even dedicate one hard drive just for banking and one hard drive for only downloading or gaming.

      With HP Z600/620/640/800/820/840 it is a lot easier you can slide in and out hard drives very easy with the hard drive caddy’s it is built for this method.

      With other systems it’s a bit more work but still can be done.

      With my main system I have NVMe on the PCIE at the moment so it is hard to use this method.

      That why I ordered from AliExpress M.2 NVME  to sata so I can swap my main hard drive easily on a caddy and test Windows 11 on the Z840 without wipe out wiping all my files.

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  • Hello,

     

    I add that I also own a 2011 HP p6740fr, customized with an Intel Core I7-880 3.06 GHz, 16 GB RAM, Geforce GTX 1050 TI, SSD,... In short, a PC that runs perfectly, like a clock under Windows 10 (initially under Windows 7) ; it suits me perfectly for the use I make of it. It is even more powerful than some configurations chosen by Micro$$$$$oft for its great Windows 11, even if it is in "legacy bios" only, and without TPM. But because of financial considerations only for these big groups such as Microsoft it will remain in Windows 10 with all its security problems that will not be corrected in 2025, or it will pass under Linux... It's a real shame, especially since some countries prohibit the TPM in their legislation...

     

    And HP who doesn't care about updating its Z Workstations (example : my Z420 v2, end of standard warranty on October 23, 2017) which can cost between 2000 and 3000 €, a straw for them who are so rich... Microsoft and HP, same fight ! Pitiful !

     

    Bye.

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  • I only run Linux setups for my production. I did build my son a Windows setup for gaming.

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  • Hello,

     

    The problem is that with Linux you can't make everything work as easily as with Windows. 

     

    Linux is nevertheless reserved for the initiated, as long as you don't have any problem, it can be done, but I don't see my wife, for example, doing it by herself, whether it's in case of problem or even to install her software, which by the way only runs under Windows for her accounting software. With Windows my wife is much more autonomous on her laptop, even if I do the after-sales service...  :-)

     

    Or you have to install a Linux/Windows dual boot.

     

    Even me, who works in IT (systems and networks), I am more at ease in the Microsoft world, having never really worked with Linux, except for OpenVMS since the beginning of my career 30 years ago and also in the Cisco world.

     

    But indeed, this is maybe the opportunity to seriously start using Linux...  ;-)

     

    To finish, I think that Microsoft is going too far in its diktat with Windows 11 (TPM 2.0, UEFI/secure boot, DirectX 12...), not everyone will have the means to upgrade their hardware, especially if it was perfectly suitable until now. And so Windows 10 will follow the same path as Windows 7 which still has its regular users, even if there are no more security updates or improvements, not to mention drivers. 

     

    Bye.

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  • [...]

     

    I also forgot the "authorized" processors under Microsoft Windows 11, which must be at least 8th generation for Intel for example. My HP 17-an135nf laptop is equipped with it, is almost 3 years old already. A laptop that cost more than 1000 € ! 

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  • [...]

     

    And if TPM 2.0 chip is present on a (recent) consumer motherboard, it was until now almost always disabled by default, and remained so because nobody was bothered by it because they didn't use it at all ! But Microsoft will never acknowledge this, so HP will not bother to develop a TPM 2.0 update for its expensive Z Workstations which are "too" old.

     

    Bye.

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  • Hello,

    The issue (among others) of the mandatory TPM 2.0 to install Microsoft Windows 11 is discussed even on this Twitter thread :

    https://twitter.com/1967_CheGuevara/status/1423969752347725826?s=20

    Hopefully this can finally make Microsoft, HP, Infineon and others companies react to this ubiquitous situation. Negative publicity is never good for them.

    Bye.

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  • #Windows11 will not install without a TPM chip. Microsoft indeed explained that Windows 11 seeks to offer a unified experience but especially secure. The presence of the TPM chip is therefore non-negotiable. You need one for Windows 11, that's all.

    No way around it either: "Our strategy is not to allow you to circumvent the hardware requirements for Windows 11. We're always going to prevent you from upgrading your PC if it's not supported because we really want to make sure it's secure."

    And the groundhog puts the chocolate in the aluminium foil...

    Microsoft really takes us for a*sholes with its #Windows11

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  • Small precision but not the least unfortunately : TPM = version 2.0 only for #Windows11, otherwise no chocolate !!!

    Thank you #Microsoft for finally caring about our security... That was dark humor of course !!! 

    You can already plan to increase your computer budget if your computer is "too old" (ditto for other restrictions imposed by #Microsoft).

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  • #Microsoft is finally doing no better than #Apple, in its way of locking down access to #Windows11, and imposing its expensive diktats. All this to make a little more money for him and his buddies like #HP... #Linux will finally take off !

     

    --

     

    #Microsoft ne fait finalement pas mieux qu' #Apple, dans sa façon de verrouiller l'accès à #Windows11, et d'imposer ses coûteux diktats. Tout ça pour gagner encore un peu plus d'argent pour lui et ses petits copains tels #HP... #Linux va enfin vraiment décoller ! 

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  • Pour pouvoir installer #Microsoft #Windows11 Insider Preview Beta Channel j'ai dû lancer une installation "from scratch" avec l'ISO sur ma HP Workstation Z420 car le processeur Xeon E5-2680 v2 n'est pas "compatible" (oui oui !), de même que le TPM 1.2 présent. N'est "bon" que le secure boot + UEFI... 

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  • In order to install #Microsoft #Windows11 Insider Preview Beta Channel I had to launch a scratch installation with ISO on my HP Workstation Z420 because the Xeon E5-2680 v2 processor is not "compatible" (yes yes !), as well as the TPM 1.2 present. Only the secure boot + UEFI is "good"... 

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